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01-09-2007, 12:17 PM
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U.S. launches new attacks in Somalia
U.S. launches new attacks in Somalia
By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
MOGADISHU, Somalia - U.S. helicopter gunships launched new attacks Tuesday against suspected al-Qaida members, a Somali official said, a day after American forces launched airstrikes in the first offensive in the African country since 18 U.S. troops were killed there in 1993.
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The latest attacks killed at least 27 civilians in the town of Afmadow in southern Somalia, lawmaker Abdiqadir Daqane told The Associated Press.
At least one AC-130 gunship carried out an airstrike Monday evening against targets in the town about 220 miles southwest of the capital of Mogadishu, Somali officials said. It was not immediately clear how many people died in those attacks, but Somali officials said there were reports that many were killed.
The U.S. attacks were targeting Islamic extremists, said a Somali Defense Ministry official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak. Earlier, Somalia's president had said the U.S. was hunting suspects in the 1998 bombings of the two U.S. embassies in East Africa, and had his support.
The aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower arrived off Somalia's coast and launched intelligence-gathering missions over Somalia, the military said. Three other U.S. warships are conducting anti-terror operations off the Somali coast.
U.S. warships have been seeking to capture al-Qaida members thought to be fleeing Somalia after Ethiopia invaded Dec. 24 in support of the government and drove the Islamic militia out of the capital and toward the Kenyan border.
The Islamic extremists are believed to be sheltering suspects in the embassy bombings, and the raids are designed to keep the militants from posing a new threat to the government.
The White House would not confirm the attacks, nor would the
Pentagon.
A U.S. government official said at least one AC-130 gunship was used Monday evening. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the operation's sensitivity.
It was the first U.S. offensive in the Horn of Africa country since the Americans led a U.N. force in the 1990s that intervened in Somalia in an effort to fight famine. The mission led to clashes between U.N. forces and Somali warlords, including the "Black Hawk Down" battle that left 18 U.S. servicemen dead.
Witnesses said at least four civilians were killed Monday 30 miles east of Afmadow, including a small boy. The claims could not be independently verified.
"My 4-year-old boy was killed in the strike," Mohamed Mahmud Burale told the AP by telephone. "We also heard 14 massive explosions."
Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said it was not known how many people were killed, "but we understand there were a lot of casualties. Most were Islamic fighters."
Witnesses said that in Tuesday's attack, the helicopters opened fire on the road that leads to the Kenyan border. They said they could not clearly make out the markings on the aircraft.
Daqane said two newlyweds were among the dead Tuesday.
The U.S. Embassy in Nairobi reissued a terror warning Tuesday to Americans living in or visiting the Horn of Africa.
Monday evening's airstrike came after the suspects were seen hiding on a remote island on the southern tip of Somalia, close to the Kenyan border, Somali officials said. The island and a site near the village of Hayi, 155 miles to the north, were hit.
The main target was Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, who allegedly planned the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, that killed 225 people.
He is also suspected of planning the car bombing of a beach resort in Kenya and the near simultaneous attempt to shoot down an Israeli airliner in 2002. Ten Kenyans and three Israelis were killed in the blast at the hotel, 12 miles north of Mombasa. The missiles missed the airliner.
Fazul, 32, joined al-Qaida in
Afghanistan and trained there with
Osama bin Laden, according to the transcript of an
FBI interrogation of a known associate. He came to Kenya in the mid-1990s, married a local woman, became a citizen and started teaching at a religious school near Lamu, just 60 miles south of Ras Kamboni, Somalia, where one of the airstrikes took place Monday.
Largely isolated, the coast north of Lamu is predominantly Muslim and many residents are of Arab descent. Boats from Lamu often visit Somalia and the Persian Gulf, making the Kenya-Somalia border area ideal for him to escape.
President Abdullahi Yusuf told journalists in the capital, Mogadishu, that the U.S. "has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies." Deputy Prime Minister Hussein Aideed told The Associated Press the U.S. had "our full support for the attacks."
But others in the capital said the attacks would only increase anti-American sentiment in the largely Muslim country.
"U.S. involvement in the fighting in our country is completely wrong," said Sahro Ahmed, a 37-year-old mother of five.
Already, many people in predominantly Muslim Somalia had resented the presence of troops from neighboring Ethiopia, which has a large Christian population and has fought two brutal wars with Somalia, most recently in 1977.
The U.S. Central Command reassigned the Eisenhower to Somalia last week from its mission supporting
NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, said
U.S. Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Charlie Brown in Bahrain, where the Navy's Fifth Fleet is based.
"Eisenhower aircraft have flown intelligence-gathering missions over Somalia," Brown told The Associated Press.
The spokesman said the Eisenhower was the only U.S. aircraft carrier in the region. The vessel is carrying approximately 60 aircraft, including four fighter jet squadrons, he said.
Ethiopia forces had invaded Somalia to prevent an Islamic movement from ousting the weak, internationally recognized government from its lone stronghold in the west of the country. The U.S. and Ethiopia both accuse the Islamic group of harboring extremists, among them al-Qaida suspects.
Ethiopian troops, tanks and warplanes took just 10 days to drive the Islamic group from the capital, Mogadishu, and other key towns.
Ethiopian and Somali troops had in recent days cornered the main Islamic force in Ras Kamboni, a town on Badmadow island, with U.S. warships patrolling offshore and the Kenyan military guarding the border to watch for fleeing militants.
The AC-130 is armed with 40 mm guns that fire 120 rounds per minute and a 105 mm cannon, normally a field artillery weapon. The gunships were designed primarily for battlefield use to place saturated fire on massed troops.
U.S. officials said after the Sept. 11 attacks that extremists with ties to al-Qaida operated a training camp at Ras Kamboni and al-Qaida members are believed to have visited it.
Leaders of the Islamic movement have vowed from their hideouts to launch an
Iraq-style guerrilla war in Somalia, and al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden's deputy has called on militants to carry out suicide attacks on the Ethiopian troops.
Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said in an interview published Tuesday in the French newspaper Le Monde that suspected terrorists from Canada, Britain, Pakistan and elsewhere have been among those taken prisoner or killed in the military operations in Somalia.
Somalia has not had an effective central government since clan-based warlords toppled dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991 and then turned on each other, sinking the Horn of Africa nation of 7 million people into chaos.
A U.N. peacekeeping force, including U.S. troops, arrived in 1992, but the experiment in nation-building ended the next year when fighters loyal to clan leader Mohamed Farah Aideed shot down a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter and battled American troops, killing 18 servicemen.
At least 13 attempts at government have failed since then. The current government was established in 2004 with U.N. backing.
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01-09-2007, 04:37 PM
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Why are the Muslim extremists always bombed, there are other ways of taking out criminals, much like they do in the US, WITHOUT killing civilians every time. Have they ever actually done a bombing, not killed civilians and come out with the body of an actual terrorist?
I thought so.
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01-09-2007, 04:56 PM
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maybe if the "criminals" didnt situate themselves around "innocent" civilians.... nah, nevermind.
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01-09-2007, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
maybe if the "criminals" didnt situate themselves around "innocent" civilians.... nah, nevermind.
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That's my point, I'm not supporting them, I'm saying America doesn't need to use bombs to take them down, bullets work just fine. If we had the guts to actually use soldiers we could save lives.
And these "innocent" civilians are families, people in their own homes do not deserve to be bombed.
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01-09-2007, 11:51 PM
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you mean just like the israeli women and children killed by suicide bombers? oh, thats right, they arent innocent, they are evil joos that deserve to die.
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01-10-2007, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
you mean just like the israeli women and children killed by suicide bombers? oh, thats right, they arent innocent, they are evil joos that deserve to die.
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It's not like America and Israel haven't had civilian casualties in their bombings, I posted an article on that last week, ISN'T THAT WHAT THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT? Just because it's not a suicide bombing, that doesn't mean innocent civilians aren't dying. It's part of war, and always will be.
I have nothing against Jews, many of my friends are Jews, the Koron says nothing against Jews, throughout history Arabs and Muslim Empires have given Jews asylum and protection when no one else would; so please, stop using that same comment over and over again.
Plus, every citizen in Israel is a trained soldier, they were paid to move there, and knew the risks. Their purpose is to establish Israeli settlements and further displace the Palestinians from their homes.
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01-10-2007, 04:07 AM
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I actually believe Kyuubi when he says he knows a lot of Jews. It explains why he bought the woodchipper.
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01-10-2007, 04:49 AM
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^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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01-10-2007, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dawson
I actually believe Kyuubi when he says he knows a lot of Jews. It explains why he bought the woodchipper.
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Try and respond to the rest of my post, or do you just want to attack me again?
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01-10-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KyuubiWarrior
It's not like America and Israel haven't had civilian casualties in their bombings, I posted an article on that last week, ISN'T THAT WHAT THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT? Just because it's not a suicide bombing, that doesn't mean innocent civilians aren't dying. It's part of war, and always will be.
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sure, but theres a difference between collateral damage and INTENTIONALLY killing innocent people. except, wait... the joos arent innocent people, they are evil villains. nevermind.
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I have nothing against Jews, many of my friends are Jews, the Koron says nothing against Jews, throughout history Arabs and Muslim Empires have given Jews asylum and protection when no one else would; so please, stop using that same comment over and over again.
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it says plenty of negative and antagonistic things about jews.
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Plus, every citizen in Israel is a trained soldier, they were paid to move there, and knew the risks. Their purpose is to establish Israeli settlements and further displace the Palestinians from their homes.
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and the paranoid rationalization for genocide comes out. sorry pal, israeli jews just want to live in peace and freedom like the rest of us. they dont have evil intentions like you seem to think.
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01-10-2007, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
it says plenty of negative and antagonistic things about jews.
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I've read it six times and memorized about 7% of it by heart, if you really think you know more about it then me, please, show me some of these (from a standard Qur'an translation site)
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and the paranoid rationalization for genocide comes out. sorry pal, israeli jews just want to live in peace and freedom like the rest of us. they dont have evil intentions like you seem to think.
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So you deny that they're paid and trained?
I know a family that just moved there under those conditions. They had to "prove their Hebrew heritage" they were then paid, and never seen in the US again.
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01-10-2007, 07:14 PM
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God, why do people keep on ****ing with the Jews? Seriously. Just ****ing stop it, KyuubiWarrior. Sure they control a lot of the money in the world, what exactly did they do for you? You have a job, you get paid. Get the **** over it, you ****face. I'd like to find all those anti-Semites and rip their goddamn balls off, and shove them down their throats.
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01-10-2007, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange
God, why do people keep on ****ing with the Jews? Seriously. Just ****ing stop it, KyuubiWarrior. Sure they control a lot of the money in the world, what exactly did they do for you? You have a job, you get paid. Get the **** over it, you ****face. I'd like to find all those anti-Semites and rip their goddamn balls off, and shove them down their throats.
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How old are you, really?
I'm not anti-semitic, I'm anti-zionist (against the occupation of Palestine.) You better be younger than 15.
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01-10-2007, 07:26 PM
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Is America being run by complete idiots?
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01-10-2007, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by KyuubiWarrior
I've read it six times and memorized about 7% of it by heart, if you really think you know more about it then me, please, show me some of these (from a standard Qur'an translation site)
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why waste my time when you will just deny, deny, deny which is what all good muslims do when faced with criticism.
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So you deny that they're paid and trained?
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paid and trained for what?
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I know a family that just moved there under those conditions. They had to "prove their Hebrew heritage" they were then paid, and never seen in the US again.
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yes, because they want jews in a jewish state, not mexicans or the irish. and if it takes money to encourage people to emigrate, so what? i dont see what is so heinous about that.
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01-10-2007, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
paid and trained for what?
yes, because they want jews in a jewish state, not mexicans or the irish. and if it takes money to encourage people to emigrate, so what? i dont see what is so heinous about that.
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Nothings wrong with that, I'm just saying that every person who moves there knows the risks (which is why the need money to be convinced), they are given brief military training (everyone) when they get there. There are no civilians in Israel, I told you this months ago and we got over that argument, I guess you just forget all the times I prove a point that you can't bull**** your way out of.
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01-10-2007, 09:53 PM
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I don't think children are trained for the military. But you're right, Israel sucks and so does the USA. Thank ____ for Canada!
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01-10-2007, 09:54 PM
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I don't think children are trained for the military. But you're right, Israel sucks and so does the USA. Thank ____ for Canada!
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Once they reach a certain age, it's fairly low (pre/early teens for the early training I think)
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01-10-2007, 09:57 PM
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Thank...Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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01-13-2007, 10:55 AM
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US strikes on al-Qa'ida chiefs kill nomads
By Anne Penketh and Steve Bloomfield
Published: 13 January 2007
The herdsmen had gathered with their animals around large fires at night to ward off mosquitoes. But lit up by the flames, they became latest victims of America's war on terror.
It was their tragedy to be misidentified in a secret operation by special forces attempting to kill three top al-Qa'ida leaders in south-ern Somalia.
Oxfam yesterday confirmed at least 70 nomads in the Afmadow district near the border with Kenya had been killed. The nomads were bombed at night and during the day while searching for water sources. Meanwhile, the US ambassador to Kenya has acknowledged that the onslaught on Islamist fighters failed to kill any of the three prime targets wanted for their alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
The wanted men are Fazul Abdullah Moham-med, Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan and Abu Taha al-Sudani, who were all supposedly sheltered by the Union of Islamic Courts during its short reign in Mogadishu.
The operation, which opened a new front in Washington's anti-terror campaign, seems to have backfired spectacularly in the five days since it was launched. In addition to the scores of Somali civilians killed, the simmering civil war in the failed state has been rekindled.
Yesterday concern was mounting at the high number of civilian casualties, despite a claim by the US ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, that no civilians had been killed or injured and that only one attack had taken place. The UN's refugee agency, UNHCR, reported that an estimated 100 people were wounded in Monday's air strikes on the small fishing village of Ras Kamboni launched from the US military base in Djibouti after a mobile phone intercept.
The operation was only confirmed by the Pentagon a day after it was launched and it continued despite international protests and warnings that it risked being counterproductive.
Yesterday the Americans had boots on the ground for the first time since a 1993 mission backfired and led to a humiliating withdrawal from Somalia. According to The Washington Post, a small number of US military personnel are in southern Somalia trying to determine exactly who was killed in the raids by an AC-130 gunship.
Oxfam - which had received reports from its Somali partner organisations about the herdsmen's deaths - and Amnesty International have asked whether the the air strikes violated international law.
"Under international law, there is a duty to distinguish between military and civilian targets," said Paul Smith-Lomas, Oxfam's regional director. "We are deeply concerned that this principle is not being adhered to, and that innocent people in Somalia are paying the price."
There is also concern that the attacks by American and Ethiopian gunships have fanned the country's civil war. Somalia's main warlords yesterday appeared to agree to disarm their militias and form a new national army. But as the warlords met with the Somali President, Abdullahi Yusuf, gun battles raged outside the presidential villa underlining the scale of the security problems.
Somalia has witnessed a fresh surge in violence this week as warlords have fought to regain old ground and Islamists have attacked government forces and their allies. The Ethiopian military, acting in support of the US-backed transitional government in Somalia, had only recently routed the Islamists from the capital.
Yesterday, fighting in Mogadishu claimed the lives of at least six militia men after a clash with troops. The gun battle was believed to have been sparked by an argument over a parking space.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle2149716.ece
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