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Old 09-15-2006, 07:19 AM #1
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Pope remark offends Muslim leaders

By Ahmad Pathoni 2 hours, 1 minute ago

JAKARTA (Reuters) -
Pope Benedict's comments about Islam could hurt global religious harmony, government and religious leaders in the world's most populous Muslim countries said on Friday.
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A growing chorus of Muslim leaders have called on the Pope to apologize for the remarks he made in a speech in Germany on Tuesday when he used the terms "jihad" and "holy war."

Pakistan's National Assembly, parliament's lower house, unanimously passed a resolution condemning the Pope's comments.

"This statement has hurt sentiments of the Muslims," the resolution said. "This is also against the charter of the
United Nations. This house demands the Pope retract his remarks in the interest of harmony among different religions of the world."

Pakistan is the world's second most populous Muslim nation after Indonesia.

Islamic scholars say the Pontiff's comments show how little he understands Islam and some have said Islamic countries should threaten to break off relations with the
Vatican.

The Vatican issued a statement to say the Pope had never meant to offend Islam.

In his speech at the University of Regensburg, Benedict quoted criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Benedict repeatedly quoted Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."

The reaction was swift.

"It is obvious from the statements that the Pope doesn't have a correct understanding of Islam," said Din Syamsuddin, chairman of Muhammadiyah, the second largest Islamic organization in Indonesia.

Syamsuddin told Reuters the remarks could hurt "harmonious" relations between Muslims and Catholics and urged Muslims against reacting excessively.

"Whether the Pope apologizes or not, the Islamic community should show that Islam is a religion of compassion," he said.

Fauzan Al-Anshori, spokesman for the radical Indonesian Mujahideen Council, said the Pope misunderstood Islam and jihad (Islamic holy war or struggle) and challenged him to a dialogue.

"Muslims can't eliminate jihad from the Islamic discourse, the same way Christians can't do away with the doctrine of Trinity," he said.

The Vatican press office said the Pope had not intended to carry out an in-depth study of jihad and Muslim thinking about it, "even less to offend the sensitivity of the Muslim faithful."

TOLERANT RELIGION

Washington's response to September 11, invading
Afghanistan and
Iraq and tightening civil freedoms as part of a wider "war on terror," has created a widespread feeling among Muslims worldwide that their religion is under attack.

A row earlier this year over Danish cartoons that depicted the Prophet Mohammad deepened the sense of a divide between Islamic culture and the West.

Indonesia's Anshori said the recent surge in Muslim radicalism was a response to America's "crusade" against Muslims.

"We believe in respect for each other, freedom for Muslims to practice Islamic teachings and for Christians to practice their religion," he said.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said he was worried the Pope's statements might upset efforts to bring about a rapprochement between West and East.

"He (Aboul Gheit) said he looked forward to intensifying efforts to strengthen the dialogue between civilizations and religions and to avoid anything that is likely to exacerbate confessional and ideological differences," an Egyptian foreign ministry statement said.

Pakistan's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said that anyone who felt that Islam was intolerant or Islam spread through use of force showed ignorance.

"Statements of this nature are very unhelpful in the efforts that we are making to bridge the gap and promote understanding between different religions," he added.

In New Delhi, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of the historic Jama Masjid, India's largest mosque, extolled Muslims to respond to the Pope's comments.

"No Pope has ever tried to attack the glory of Islam like this Pope," Bukhari said to chants of "Allah-hu-Akbar" (God is Great) by thousands of worshippers at the sprawling mosque.

"Muslims must respond in a manner which forces the Pope to apologize," he added after Friday prayers. He did not elaborate.

(Additional reporting by Zeeshan Haider in Islamabad, Kamil Zaheer in New Delhi, Jonathan Wright in Cairo)


that's give radical muslims to strike again, good job mr.pope
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Old 09-15-2006, 07:56 AM #2
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In New Delhi, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of the historic Jama Masjid, India's largest mosque, extolled Muslims to respond to the Pope's comments.

"No Pope has ever tried to attack the glory of Islam like this Pope," Bukhari said to chants of "Allah-hu-Akbar" (God is Great) by thousands of worshippers at the sprawling mosque.

"Muslims must respond in a manner which forces the Pope to apologize," he added after Friday prayers. He did not elaborate.

He's an odious preacher of hate. What the hell do you think he was talking about?
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Heh, what if Islam had something akin to a Pope and he said "everything Jesus brought was evil and inhuman"?
This was a pretty stupid move by the Pope.
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Old 09-15-2006, 12:51 PM #4
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It's wonderful to have an ignorant pope.
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The Catholic church does whatever harebrained thing their dogma and Great Leader tells them to do. On that note, Muslim leaders should realize the Catholic church is harebrained, thus, shouldn't put too much stock in the idiotic things that come out of it. It's all business when it comes down to it: Competing brands.
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**** you, asshole. He had no choice!

I stand by the Pope. I am a devout Roman Catholic.
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Guess being devout means supporting anything the Pope says.

Hope we don't get any crazy-type Popes in the future.
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**** you, asshole. He had no choice!

I stand by the Pope. I am a devout Roman Catholic.

Why would you stand by an ignorant leader? How is he helping you religiously?
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Do any of you have a counter-argument or just want to bash the Pope?

Didn't think so. He's right: swordpoint conversion is unholy and unacceptable.

If Muslims object to that sentiment, maybe they should change the Koran. Oh wait.

I like our Pope. All the powers of a Sith and all the balls of a conservative
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^It's not that he doesn't have a valid point, it's who he is to make that point... it's like the a pot calling the kettle black...
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Well the Pope apparently is bringing together all kinds of people:

In India!



And is even bringing sunnis and shiias together in Iraq!

Heckuva job, Brownie!
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what we have here is another case of leftists bending over for radical, violent islam while remaining hostile towards peaceful, tolerant christianity.

so the poped called islam what it truly is, so what?
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^It's not that he doesn't have a valid point, it's who he is to make that point... it's like the a pot calling the kettle black...
Dude, enough already. We're all well aware of your pro-communism anti-God stance on... everything.

Moreover I don't remember influential Catholic figures calling for us to invade the Middle East and convert the infidels by threat of death anytime in the past... 400 years or so. The closest thing was probably Ann Coulter

So no, it's not really the pot calling the kettle black.
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Well the Pope apparently is bringing together all kinds of people:

In India!

And is even bringing sunnis and shiias together in Iraq!

Heckuva job, Brownie!
You know what's funny? All of these articles just say Pope was mean Muslims friendly but rightfully mad. They don't even quote what the Pope said, just the negative points of the person he quoted. It's such obviously biased crap. It's inconcievable judging from the article that he could be right about violent tendancies of Muslism. He's just another intolerant conservative that must be destroyed for our great athiestic communist utopia to rise up, amirite?
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what we have here is another case of leftists bending over for radical, violent islam while remaining hostile towards peaceful, tolerant christianity.

so the poped called islam what it truly is, so what?

If that's what Islam is truly is, I'd expect to see a lot more intolerant, violent people around where I live considering the relatively high population of Muslims/Mid-Easterners. Not much going on in little ol' Mississauga, though. Other then the occasional gang/drug-related shootings or domestic dispute/love affair murders.
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what we have here is another case of leftists bending over for radical, violent islam while remaining hostile towards peaceful, tolerant christianity.

so the poped called islam what it truly is, so what?

If that's what Islam is truly is, I'd expect to see a lot more intolerant, violent people around where I live considering the relatively high population of Muslims/Mid-Easterners. Not much going on in little ol' Mississauga, though. Other then the occasional gang/drug-related shootings or domestic dispute/love affair murders.
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i guess you missed all the "peaceful" muslims that became violent after they heard the pope proclaim that islam was violent.
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Seriously, why the hell would muslims care if the catholic leader made these comments? Its like a leafs fan getting upset because a habs fan made a jab about our team. Who cares?
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Seriously, why the hell would muslims care if the catholic leader made these comments? Its like a leafs fan getting upset because a habs fan made a jab at our team. Who cares?
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i guess you missed all the "peaceful" muslims that became violent after they heard the pope proclaim that islam was violent.

Funny, I did a Google search and didn't find anything of the like in Mississauga.

By the way, have you checked your PMs?
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