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01-31-2006, 10:44 AM
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It's Not Lupus
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lol?
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Anti-Muslim cartoon endangers Danes
DENMARK has warned its citizens to avoid Saudi Arabia as Muslim fury mounts at newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.
Gunmen in Gaza also said any Scandinavians there risked attack.
Denmark has defended the newspaper Jyllands-Posten's right to publish the satirical drawings that seemed to portray Mohammad as a terrorist and which a Norwegian paper has run too.
Some Muslims, who deem images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures blasphemous, have threatened Danes and demanded an apology.
Saudi Arabia has recalled its envoy from Denmark and its religious leaders called for a boycott of Danish products.
Many Saudis have started boycotting Danish goods and, across the Gulf, several supermarkets pulled Scandinavian foods off the shelves after consumers complained.
The 12 cartoons were published in September, but the row erupted this month after diplomatic efforts to solve the issue failed.
One of the drawings showed Mohammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb.
Jyllands-Posten issued an apology in a statement to Arab countries, sent to the Jordanian news agency Petra.
"The drawings are not against the Danish law but have indisputably insulted many Muslims, for which we shall apologise," the newspaper said.
Libya has closed its Copenhagen embassy, and thousands of Palestinians marched in protest yesterday.
An Iraqi militant group called for attacks on Danish and Norwegian targets, saying a boycott was not enough, a statement attributed to the Mujahidin Army said.
The internet statement called on fighters to "hit whatever targets possible belonging to these two countries and others that follow their steps". It could not be authenticated.
Denmark has about 530 troops serving in Iraq.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology but did not apologise himself.
"The Danish Government cannot apologise on behalf of a Danish newspaper," Mr Rasmussen said.
"It does not work like that . . . and we have explained that to the Arab countries. Independent media are not edited by the government."
Earlier, he advised colleagues in the European Union of the situation and the bloc's executive said it might complain to the World Trade Organisation about the boycott if the Saudi Government encouraged it.
The Danish foreign ministry advised against non-essential travel to Saudi Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in other Muslim countries.
"Danes who choose to stay in Saudi Arabia should show extraordinarily high watchfulness," it said on its website.
The Danish Red Cross said it had pulled two employees out of Gaza and one from Yemen, and Norway's foreign ministry said two Norwegian aid workers in Gaza were to leave.
Sweden warned its citizens against travelling to Gaza and the West Bank, and the Swedish consulate in Jerusalem received a fax claiming to be from Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades demanding that all Danes and Swedes leave the area.
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Taking overreacting to a whole new level here. 
C'mon are people really this stupid? The thought process here boggles me. Lets say a country..France for example..has a paper that decides to print a cartoon that makes fun of america and how it's filled with religous zeolots. Would you call for a boycott of all french products? I mean it's a ****ing joke. Now boycotting the paper I guess would be ok but wth is with blaming the entire nation over a comic? |
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01-31-2006, 10:47 AM
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Boycotting French products you say?  |
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01-31-2006, 10:50 AM
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It's Not Lupus
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rofl ok bad example >.< the world is teh dewmed
Well then does anyone here boycott anything? If so, why? |
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01-31-2006, 11:03 AM
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no, i don't boycott anything.
and there's plenty of cartoons here in france that makes fun of america (bush in particular) and TV shows (like "les guinoles") too. but then again, we make fun of everyone, including ourselfs.
read this..
http://journalism.berkeley.edu/proj...guignols_bu.php
and i found this too
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One of the fiercest critics of the government, “Les Guignols de l'Info” (“The News Puppets”), a daily television programme similar to Britain's satirical “Spitting Image”, is a huge success. “Les Guignols” has become sharper, even crueller, since it started in 1988. Hardly anything is taboo now. Supermenteur (“Superliar”), President Jacques Chirac's alter ego, is a particular favourite. In the following exchange he is pondering Mr Chirac's legal difficulties:
‘I have found a solution! I will kill the judge so I will be left alone.'
‘But, Monsieur le président, they will find another judge.'
‘Damn, I didn't think of that. Well, I will kill all of France's judges, the entire profession. I have enough time. A judge is like a tree, you need 30 years to grow another one. By the time they've grown new judges I will be as old as Pinochet and they will let me off for ill health.'
“Les Guignols” has felt obliged to apologise only a few times—once to Mr Chirac's wife, Bernadette, whom it had portrayed masturbating with her handbag.
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01-31-2006, 11:34 AM
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It's unnatural selection
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I found this on the net (I don't waste my time on actually making this stuff), and couldn't resist posting it,
sorry Americans, I don't like to generalize, I'm sure there are many smart people in the US too, obviously  ... but still it was a good laugh...
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01-31-2006, 11:39 AM
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It's Not Lupus
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Originally Posted by Majin-Link δ
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Where are those crazy japs? We need electronics! |
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01-31-2006, 11:47 AM
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It's unnatural selection
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Originally Posted by Machine Knight
Where are those crazy japs? We need electronics!
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Don't you know they moved to outer space... 
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Originally Posted by Batist - The Frenchy formerly known as Majinbuu -
... and Knight of Cydonia. die. just die. die in a hellpit of fire from satan's ass. |
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01-31-2006, 01:11 PM
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Can you read my mind?
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buu, there are plenty of cartoons that make fun of bush in the good ol' US of A...that guy is seen badly everywhere except for middle america
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01-31-2006, 01:53 PM
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It's unnatural selection
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Well, it's press freedom, if we can't even poke fun of religion or state leaders, there isn't much left to poke fun at  ... It's not like we only did it to their religion, I have seen millions of cartoons about the western religion, Christianity...they should be glad that they aren't discriminated...
everyone has the right, no the duty to be laughed at, at one point in time or another.
NB: Mr.Snuggles is probably going to disagree with this but what the hell...
EDIT: I'm looking for those offensive cartoons, I'll add the results to this post, as I find them...
By no means do I mean to offend any muslims who visit this forum, but it is hard having a discussion without the real object of the discussion.
EDIT: reposted images in new post.
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01-31-2006, 02:14 PM
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I saw "les guignol" once where, during the pope john paul 2 and the prince of monaco, where having a race in there dying bed to see who would die first.
it may sound terrible, but it was incredibly hillarious.
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01-31-2006, 03:02 PM
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Highly, I say
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The guy in that cartoon has eyebrows of epic, nay, mythic proprtions.
About whether all this is justified...... they are over-reacting, but I doubt a cartoon showing Jesus leading a crusade against Islam would go down too well in some Western countries.
Actually, it probably would go down well with some people, now that I think of it.
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01-31-2006, 03:54 PM
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It's unnatural selection
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Here are some more, and some reruns, since this is one image...
If you want to see all of them, click here
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01-31-2006, 03:59 PM
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Banned
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this is a good example of the intolerance of islam. they dont want other people, non islamic people, breaking islamic law. im surprised they havent blown up the newpapers headquarters.
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01-31-2006, 04:18 PM
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It's unnatural selection
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this is a good example of the intolerance of islam. they dont want other people, non islamic people, breaking islamic law. im surprised they havent blown up the newpapers headquarters.
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Well, you may be right, but some time ago some extreme christian organisations weren't all that tolerant about this poster for a theatrical play, adressing the situation of many imigrants...
How do you feel about this poster? I personally think it isn't a very appropriate but it should be tollerated.
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01-31-2006, 04:25 PM
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Highly, I say
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this is a good example of the intolerance of islam. they dont want other people, non islamic people, breaking islamic law. im surprised they havent blown up the newpapers headquarters.
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Every religion is intolerant. Just looking at the uproar caused by christian parents at traces of eastern religion in anime shows you that. It's easy to see fault in other people and not recognize the same in yourself.
I actually quite like the "we ran out of virgins" one. If I was a muslim I imagine I'd find it pretty funny. It's more of a mockery of the suicide bombers (their actual motivations, and/or our perception of them) then Islam in general.
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01-31-2006, 04:29 PM
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the muslims are angry because islamic law has been breached by infidels. this picture would offend christians because it has sexual connotations, cover her up and nobody is going to care.
plus, there would be no international outrage at a picture like that, you wouldnt see the vatican calling for boycotts.
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Every religion is intolerant. Just looking at the uproar caused by christian parents at traces of eastern religion in anime shows you that. It's easy to see fault in other people and not recognize the same in yourself.
I actually quite like the "we ran out of virgins" one. If I was a muslim I imagine I'd find it pretty funny. It's more of a mockery of the suicide bombers (their actual motivations, and/or our perception of them) then Islam in general.
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you gotta understand WHY they are mad. this violates islamic law, and they dont want ANYONE violating it, especially infidels.
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01-31-2006, 04:45 PM
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Highly, I say
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
the muslims are angry because islamic law has been breached by infidels
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Have they actually said this? Not saying you're lying, but is that the wording they used?
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plus, there would be no international outrage at a picture like that, you wouldnt see the vatican calling for boycotts.
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The Exorcist. Harry Potter. The Da Vinci Code. More than a picture in a newspaper, but that caused outrage as well. I'm not sure if the vatican ever denounced them, though (I believe they tried to ban The Exorcist).
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you gotta understand WHY they are mad. this violates islamic law, and they dont want ANYONE violating it, especially infidels.
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I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but what about christians who want to outlaw homosexual sex because it violates christian law? Isn't that the same thing?
If you really want to get extreme, how about people who think witchcraft should be illegal becuase it's contrary to what God wants? They aren't shouting about it, but they still exist.
What's actually so bad about Muslims complaining, anyway? I mean sure, they're over-reacting and they don't have any right to control what goes into the media, but there's no harm in it as long as it isn't taken too far. They have the right to express an opinion, the same way christians have a right to say that Harry Potter is corrupting America's youth.
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01-31-2006, 04:51 PM
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any christian that wants to ban witchcraft or homosexual sex is an idiot. i dont know how many people actually would support something like that. however, it looks like entire countries are up in arms over this.
things like the davinci code are different than simple drawings. the davinci code is an attempt to re-write the history of the catholic church and the christian faith. i would understand muslim outrage over something like that.
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01-31-2006, 05:00 PM
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Highly, I say
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
any christian that wants to ban witchcraft or homosexual sex is an idiot. i dont know how many people actually would support something like that.
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Indeed, just like the Muslims complaining about drawings are idiots, right? But you're generalizing a bit on that issue.
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however, it looks like entire countries are up in arms over this.
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We're getting news of this by way of the media, which has a way of distorting things a tad, as I'm sure you know. They're obviously going to focus on the Muslims who are going crazy, becuase "meanwhile, here are some Muslims not complaining about anything" doesn't make for an interesting story. Entire countries may very well be up in arms over this, but I have my doubts.
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things like the davinci code are different than simple drawings. the davinci code is an attempt to re-write the history of the catholic church and the christian faith. i would understand muslim outrage over something like that.
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Books like the Da Vinci Code are fiction, though. The author doesn't even believe in the whole magdelene conspiracy theory. I would imagine anyone who is safe in their faith would have a good laugh at the plot, maybe look further into it out of curiosity, then forget about the whole thing.
You have to remember that many Muslims are going to be feeling victimized by this. They're getting a lot of negative stereotypes because of the terrorists, and it's understandable that cartoons like this will strike a nerve with a lot of people. It could very well be that they're using it as an excuse to vent general feelings of frustration.
If a cartoon had despicted St. Patrick holding a pipe bomb during the IRA's terror campaign, I'm sure it would have evoked similar feelings over here.
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01-31-2006, 05:03 PM
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It's unnatural selection
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
things like the davinci code are different than simple drawings. the davinci code is an attempt to re-write the history of the catholic church and the christian faith. i would understand muslim outrage over something like that.
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Ah, yes the Da Vinci code, I found this particulary funny,
The movie isn't even out yet, but still the Church is already demanding that It should be rated 18+, because "children" wouldn't be able to see the difference between fiction and non-fiction, or in other words, they wanted children to be prohibited from seeing a piece of fiction, because it contradicts with their peice of fiction...or to recapitulate: the Church would like to take advantage of the fact that children can't differentiate between fiction and reality, to indoctrinate them ...
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